HSD

On 1/25/2023 at 11:00 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

See you beg the first question...

And uhh...projection *cough*

On 1/25/2023 at 11:06 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

How much of a relationship can someone have with Sikhi if they have no relationship with the Truth?

The only one who goes around begging is you. You’re nothing more than a manipulative grifter. It’s clear you don’t understand many topics with your limited intelligence. Its ridiculous for you to call anything retarded when most of your posts are imbecilic. Keep munching on the hemp Haribo and chasing shadows with your sticks lol.

It’s not projection. You were banned for harassing a supposedly female member on there. Just like you harass and repeatedly moan about me on this forum. Of course an attention seeking narcissist like yourself would see it differently.

As for your latter question, I know that is something you ask yourself a lot but the answer is that someone like you simply has no understanding of the Truth and never will. Hope that’s clear enough for you. 

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

What kind of retarded is this even?

Speaking of ss...how about you go post there instead?

Why don’t you? Oh wait they found out you were a racist didn’t they.

On 1/23/2023 at 10:24 PM, paapiman said:

Can you please elaborate on the point above?

Thanks

 

Bhul chuk maaf

Ask people from East Punjab about some of the going ons there in the last decade  to get what this means. Think about it. Where did all the money come from for those infrastructure projects over the last decade? Why does East Punjab have such high government debt? Who is it owed to? Where did the SAD/Congress get all their bad ideas from?

On 1/23/2023 at 10:29 PM, paapiman said:

You might be right, but don't you think that if non-Jatt Sikhs were more influential in the Panth, our Panth would be, speaking overall, in a better condition?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

I don’t think the poor Sikhs in East Punjab are going to care if someone in the west gets a leadership position as it won’t improve anything for them. They want other things and have more immediate concerns. It’ll just be another person on the gravy train that is the Sikh power structure.

We would be better off figuring out ways to get rid of bad leaders rather than engaging in pointless tokenism and adding even more layers of useless ‘decision making’. Look at Priti Patel or Rishi Sunak for examples of bad leadership not being dependent on background. 

On 1/23/2023 at 11:18 PM, dalsingh101 said:

Whilst he is at it, he could maybe let us know if he understands this guys point of view? I don't mean he has to agree with it, just wondering if HSD even knows what others think about juttism and how it negatively effects the panth. 

@paapiman Whilst you're at it, what do you think of what he is saying? 

 

The guy he is on about has come out of nowhere and I genuinely don’t know if he’s parroting what others tell him or he came up with it himself. As for omissions, if you want token representations just say it. The SGPC can issue a tickbox sheet so every time someone is talked about in a positive way then several people from other castes need to be brought up too. Most casteists are highly derisory of other castes - that’s real casteism. 

On 1/24/2023 at 1:29 AM, dalsingh101 said:

Plus you seem to be missing the point. Others are purposefully excluded and undermined. Their history and contribution to the panth purposefully hidden and undermined. 

The people doing this will not willingly extend equality to them (but the opposite). What choice is there other than to confront and highlight this evil, which has been going on for a long time. It's obvious that the people doing it most have the support of most of their caste biraderi in this evil. Anyone playing it down, excusing it or ignoring it (like HSD does), is simply supporting this stuff.

It's exactly like institutional white racism where most of it takes place slyly and covertly, and the people behind it rely on other people's silence and obfuscation to continue as they are.  

  

How much longer are we supposed to tolerate this crap? 

There are plenty of topics I don’t post on. For you to maliciously claim I’m a casteist for not yapping on all the time just shows your own prejudice as no one can do right if they are from a certain background in your mind. I let you talk about this subject as I wanted you to feel you were in a safe space and that you were being listened to without those who you feel may have privilege talking over you. Now it appears you were just looking for sympathy for trauma that is not even yours.

As for comparing casteism to racism, well it was the brits who provided the template for casteists using the floater’s racism as a guide. Come to think of it, I was the one who compared the treatment of certain castes in East Punjab to apartheid initially. You didn’t understand the link back then. Regardless, casteism has stood still whilst racism has adapted. The grandkids of most casteists have moved onto new western mantras like LGBBQ+/Free Palestine/BLM.  Don’t downplay that with your immature takes. 

13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

 

I reckon you're angry because this is how you and your mates probably like dressing up and doing when the opportunity arises. 

 

 

 

 

 

Hehe, you’re the angry one because you hoped this discussion would descend into pointless name calling like it usually does on SikhSangat but instead I schooled you.

I don’t even know what dance they are doing. Is that the polka?

Anyway, it’s not surprising you like going on about brown people dancing when you had this guy for a father figure growing up:

3 hours ago, dalsingh101 said:

If even now, you're failing to acknowledge how a certain caste has infiltrated all major Sikh institutes and have been playing havoc with the principle of egalitarianism that is central to the idea of Sikh society - it says it all.....  But then maybe I shouldn't really be surprised because you've never once addressed the issue in all these years. You are part of the problem, just like a white denying racism has any serious impact on british society. 

You've completely turned a blind eye to my comments about how an agriculture dependent economy has been, and will in all likely cases will continue to be a dead end for Panjab. If anything things will get even worse in this department if things like BRICS happen, because India will probably be able to get cheap grains and whatnot from elsewhere. On top of the matter of a falling water table and increasingly unpredictable weather. It's not complicated. Plus you fail to address the fact that very few people (including people from farming families) actually want to do farming. This is no mysterious thing, even the children of farmers in the west have this problem.  It's laughable how you've failed to comprehend my point about wider global geo-political changes having the potential to change the game in Panjab. That was the whole point of the big fish in small ponds suddenly finding themselves in an ocean with a whole bunch of new things to contend with. 

 

It's funny because I learnt that 'rectal parasite' phrase from you years ago. At that point you were making the very point that we can't continue like this. You're one to talk about having an island monkey way of thinking - you're not even capable of conversing with the people you try and champion in their own native tongue. So it's no wonder your ideas are so 'out there'. You really haven't mixed with apnay - and if you did, what did you do, speak broken english with them? I'm not saying this to have a dig, but in all sincerity, how can you be influenced by, and absorb your cultural heritage (Sikh one NOT Panjabi)  without being able to communicate with people or read/access texts which help you imbibe the culture? None of us are perfect, but that gaping vacuum puts you in danger of all manner of miscomprehensions. That's doubled because a large number of people you encounter don't know much themselves. 

 

Now we see your toffo nature coming out. I'm better than you and more intelligent.....course you are........

I've had intelligent exchanges with you in the past. But i don't think we are going to progress until we confront and defeat the current norm of disgraceful inequality amongst Sikhs. We all know who the main culprits are in terms of trying to position themselves as some high caste, superior beings in the panth. I've been warning about the consequences of this for well over a decade - and look!!! Exactly what I was trying to warn about has come to be - we have people leaving the panth because of discrimination and forming their own groups as well as conversions to other faiths because of it. Then we NOW have opportunistists jumping on the bandwagon too. People like yourself helped bring this about through underplaying the issue.  

 

If we had a better culture than the normalised cut throat one in Panjab, we might be able to circumvent some of Delhi's moves against Sikhs. It's not just one way. Plenty of our own are willing instruments in what's going on. 

What a load of gibberish. I've tried hard to uncover precolonial Sikhi over the years. Are you going to deny that? You've lost the plot. If anything I was at the forefront of trying to highlight the 'jedi mind trick' done on apnay's psyches during colonialism. To your credit, you did recognise this to some extent. But you are in a tiny minority. But things are slowly slowly (hopefully changing). It might take a few generations the way some of our lot are so slow (and frankly apathetic). 

That just reinforces what I'm saying: a man who primarily wrote caste based, 'hard man' songs turns out to be the most popular singer in modern times - it just perfectly reflects what I'm saying about where the majority of this crowd's head is at!  

 

I'm not an economist - neither are you. None of us can accurately predict the future. But it looks like big changes are coming whether we like it or not. You STILL fail to address the issue that most people in Panjab don't want to work in the agricultural industry. And on top of that, a diverse, modern economy is a smart move.

I did that collage to make a valid point about where we are and how I feel about it in a humorous way that even an unlettered imbecile could understand.  And it's not just bhangra, it's a whole pendu mindset that is also part and parcel of that, that is holding us back. I don't watch Panjabi music videos btw. I don't watch the films either. You can just do a 5 second search and be flooded with evidence of where apnay's heads are at in this respect.

 

There was no infiltration though. They were placed there by the you know whos. This goes for literally every position back then. For you to dumb it down to simple casteist nonsense just trivialises what happened.  For you to associate me with british racists shows how demented you are. I’ve already talked about the issue plenty over the years but just because I don’t pay lip service to the same old discussions each and everytime isn’t a sign of anything. We can’t all be mental like gurjant and constantly post inane musings and mock concern all the time. 

None of your economic points stand. As I’ve said before, India gets foodstuffs from East Punjab at a significant discount. In fact, India ends up exporting a lot of it to other countries. There are no cheap imports compared to their domestic producers. The water table is dropping because they grow water intensive crops there - those are the only ones guaranteed by the government’s minimum price scheme. If they could grow others they would but they aren’t allowed to. East Punjabis are also completely fascinated with westernisation. It’s a huge driver of various issues amongst them. I’ve already answered your other points about BRICS, I’m not going to keep repeating myself as normal sane people don’t say the same thing over and over again repetitively. 

A lot of freshies won’t even speak Punjabi once they get here. You may speak to some yokels who don’t know anything but the townies and city folk are a mixed bag in my experience. Acting as if you have a monopoly on apneh is just weird. They do all sorts of jobs and have varied education levels, though those aren’t always good indicators of the sort of person they are.  I can’t believe I have to spell this out to you but there are people who’ve read Granths and literature their whole lives….. but it hasn’t changed who they are. If you are using this as some sort of measurement for people don’t be surprised if it doesn’t turn out to be quite accurate. Just take a look at most of our committees for examples.

You just can’t stop crying that I know more about these topics than you. You try and sound knowledgeable, then you call me a know it all and finally you just resort to conjecture. Class envy is a weird thing for a Sikh to do.

When it comes to conversions the main cause is the obsession with westernisation, with casteism and poverty being secondary causes. If you actually talked to these people you would know that. People like gurjant go around on this forum spewing xtian verses and you are silent. Now you care about conversions all of a sudden? Do you think I am as dumb as you are?

I won’t call you an amateur hour Indiana Jones but you sometimes do come close to it. Most clued up Sikhs know that the colonial period wasn’t all benevolent brits giving us ‘choo-choo’ trains or letting us join in their ‘international escapades’. They effectively lobotomised and then robbed us before trying to finish us for good. Those who don’t see it this way have a vested interest in deluding themselves. Come to think of it I was the one explaining the ins and outs of what was going on to you. 

Moosewala wasn’t just popular with Sikhs. As for his songs, well he said he was a Khalistani but then tried to get elected with Congress so who knows what he really was. 

You don’t know what qualifications I have or what I am. I know a damn well more about this subject than you. It’s all well and good claiming you want to move forward, but the Badals said the same thing and look what they did - a colossal unprecedented mess. You will probably end up causing a Great Leap Forward type event with your thinking. Go look it up if you want to actually learn something rather than repeating yourself. You don’t even know about the debt levels of the government there, who their loans are owed to, the issues surrounding paying loans in foreign currencies with changing interest rates and the harm brishit management consultants have caused over the past decade to East Punjab. Have a clue about something before you start going on.

The collage was primary school level. You’re going to have to do better if you want to be taken seriously. In fact, feel free to post it on various bhangra music videos and social media pages. Don’t just save it for the lucky souls on this forum. 

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