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I am obsessed with this composition, its lovely. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji goes far as saying atma doesnt have anything dharam or karam..vah ji vah..enjoy !

ਜਿਮੀ ਜਮਾਨ ਕੇ ਬਿਖੈ ਸਮਸਤ ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਹੈ ॥

जिमी जमान के बिखै समसत एक जोति है ॥

Within all the earth and sky, there is only one Light.

ਨ ਘਾਟ ਹੈ ਨ ਬਾਢ ਹੈ ਨ ਘਾਟ ਬਾਢ ਹੋਤ ਹੈ ॥

न घाट है न बाढ है न घाट बाढ होत है ॥

Which neither decreases nor increases in any being, It never decreases or increases.

ਨ ਹਾਨ ਹੈ ਨ ਬਾਨ ਹੈ ਸਮਾਨ ਰੂਪ ਜਾਨੀਐ ॥

न हान है न बान है समान रूप जानीऐ ॥

It is without decadence and without habit, it is known to have the same form.

ਮਕੀਨ ਅਉ ਮਕਾਨ ਅਪ੍ਰਮਾਨ ਤੇਜ ਮਾਨੀਐ ॥੬॥੧੬੬॥

मकीन अउ मकान अप्रमान तेज मानीऐ ॥६॥१६६॥

In all houses and places its unlimited brilliance is acknowledged. 6.166.

ਨ ਦੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਗੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੈ ਨ ਪਾਤਿ ਹੈ ॥

न देह है न गेह है न जाति है न पाति है ॥

He hath no body, no home, no caste and no lineage.

ਨ ਮੰਤ੍ਰਿ ਹੈ ਨ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਤਾਤ ਹੈ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਹੈ ॥

न मंत्रि है न मित्र है न तात है न मात है ॥

He hath no minister, no friend, no father and no mother.

ਨ ਅੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਸੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਥ ਹੈ ॥

न अंग है न रंग है न संग है न साथ है ॥

He hath no limb, no colour, and hath no affection for a companion.

ਨ ਦੋਖ ਹੈ ਨ ਦਾਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਦ੍ਵੈਖ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੇਹ ਹੈ ॥੭॥੧੬੭॥

न दोख है न दाग है न द्वैख है न देह है ॥७॥१६७॥

He hath no blemish, no stain, no malice and no body.7.167.

ਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਯਾਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਰਾਉ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਕ ਹੈ ॥

न सिंघ है न सयार है न राउ है न रंक है ॥

He is neither a lion, nor a jackal, nor a king nor a poor.

ਨ ਮਾਨ ਹੈ ਨ ਮੌਤ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਕ ਹੈ ਨ ਸੰਕ ਹੈ ॥

न मान है न मौत है न साक है न संक है ॥

He egoless, deathless, kinless and doubtless.

ਨ ਜੱਛ ਹੈ ਨ ਗੰਧ੍ਰਬ ਹੈ ਨ ਨਰੁ ਹੈ ਨ ਨਾਰਿ ਹੈ ॥

न ज्छ है न गंध्रब है न नरु है न नारि है ॥

He is neither a Yaksha, nor a Gandharva, nor a man nor a woman.

ਨ ਚੋਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਸਾਹ ਕੋ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਹੈ ॥੮॥੧੬੮॥

न चोर है न साह है न साह को कुमार है ॥८॥१६८॥

He is neither a thief, nor a moneylender nor a prince.8.168.

ਨ ਨੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਗੇਹ ਹੈ ਨ ਦੇਹ ਕੋ ਬਨਾਉ ਹੈ ॥

न नेह है न गेह है न देह को बनाउ है ॥

He is without attachment, without home and without the formation of the body.

ਨ ਛਲ ਹੈ ਨ ਛਿਦ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਛਲ ਕੋ ਮਿਲਾਉ ਹੈ ॥

न छल है न छिद्र है न छल को मिलाउ है ॥

He is without deceit, without blemish and without the blend of deceit.

ਨ ਤੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਸਰੂਪ ਹੈ ॥

न तंत्र है न मंत्र है न जंत्र को सरूप है ॥

He is neither Tantra , nor a mantra nor the form of Yantra.

ਨ ਰਾਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੇਖ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੂਪ ਹੈ ॥੯॥੧੬੯॥

न राग है न रंग है न रेख है न रूप है ॥९॥१६९॥

He is without affection, without colour, without form and without lineage. 9.169.

ਨ ਜੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਤੰਤ੍ਰ ਕੋ ਬਨਾਉ ਹੈ ॥

न जंत्र है न मंत्र है न तंत्र को बनाउ है ॥

He is neither a Yantra, nor a Mantra nor the formation of a Tantra.

ਨ ਛਲ ਹੈ ਨ ਛਿਦ੍ਰ ਹੈ ਨ ਛਾਇਆ ਕੋ ਮਿਲਾਉ ਹੈ ॥

न छल है न छिद्र है न छाइआ को मिलाउ है ॥

He is without deceit, without blemish and without the blend of ignorance.

ਨ ਰਾਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੰਗ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੂਪ ਹੈ ਨ ਰੇਖ ਹੈ ॥

न राग है न रंग है न रूप है न रेख है ॥

He is without affection, without colour, without form and without line.

ਨ ਕਰਮ ਹੈ ਨ ਧਰਮ ਹੈ ਅਜਨਮ ਹੈ ਅਭੇਖ ਹੈ ॥੧੦॥੧੭੦॥

न करम है न धरम है अजनम है अभेख है ॥१०॥१७०॥

He is actionless, religionless, birthless and guiseless. 10.170.

absolutely brilliant ...!

Lets do vichar on this, I think sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj went on deep trance when he composed sri akaal ustat sahib, is beyond hakikat, looking from top to other levels in dharam saying - atma is rehat from all the levels and the dharam and karam along with many other things.[/font:4aa41678bf]

He is banned from the forum based on many complaints from the forum members also his hidden propaganda against bhai gurdas ji varan, and his recent topic which involved sarcasm-of sri guru granth sahib sitting in deep meditation and not be able to fullfil sangat questions.

yes smart cookie

If you go www.tapoban.org forum is inactive there, however from the history i was able to see the forum by fetching tapoban forum link, i wont give out the link just in case if they are doing backend work.

2 friends were sitting underneath a tree when all of a sudden a Snake fell upon them both. While one friend quickly got up and out of fear that the snake might bite, the other remained in the same position pondering why the snake fell? How did it climb up the tree? What was it doing there? Did someone intentionally put the snake on the tree? It was only a matter of time that the snake bit the other friend and he died!

dude i bow to your wisdom and analogies

here is my lame attempt:

i think prof puran singh ji saying by giving example not to be cynic and less analytical, but let the bairaag(feeling) guide you.

i could be wrong. sorry i thought i try.

good post pheena, welcome back to the forum, hope you keep posting good doses like these above from time to time.

It's really sad that some so called great thinkers and missionary types try to question bhai gurdas ji integrity who is consider - key to sri guru granth sahib ji gyan by all the samparda's, jatha's, takths of sikh sangat who despite of major idealogical differences stand steady/firm on bhai sahib bhai gurdas ji varan being key to sri guru granth sahib. If bhai balbir singh have issues with bhai gurdas ji varan or vahiguroo shabad being gurmantar.

a) he should take it up to sri akaal takth sahib.

take some time off from the internet and read upon nirmala vairakat baba isher singh ji "kalyug" wale teeka on Vahiguroo mantar, he has released 500 antrev(spiritual) arths of Vahiguroo Gurmantar in respond to people around that time with shankas(doubts) and dubta(duality) of Vahiguroo being Gurmantar.

If you cannot do that, give me few days i ll translate 17 antriv arths of vahiguroo gurmantar from suhail parkash. for time being, enough discussion on this topic. This topic is closed.

koi na , take your time baba ji

what you mean by bharam? you mean dubta(duality)?

Dear N30 S!NGH Jee, I say it from my experience that reading alone does not help. Gurbani is so simple and straight but without true Simran one cannot experience one Vaak of it, what to discuss Teekaas and Sateeks by Mahaapurakhs.

Balbir singh ji,

who is even claiming that reading alone helps everything?? the fact that japji sahib talks about sunan, manan, nidhasan in its pauriya tell us reading alone (in this case teekas/steekas) doesnt help jiv to get jevan mukhti/vedah mukht avastha.

Most of us have some questions regarding our spiritual growth and the wisdom of the true Guru's message. These questions but remain because the Baabaa Jee is always in hurry or surrounded by his admirers.

There is a beautiful thing called- teekas/steekas of sri guru granth sahib ji written by great mahapursh who have anubhavi parkash of gurbani and also have expereinced gurbani on a spiritual/pratical level yet these teekas/steekas are fully ignored by soo called western sikhs who like gyan of gurbani to be spoon-fed to them, these soo called western sikh youths on top of that have a nerve to demand these teekas/steekas to be translate into english for their own comfort level because they have to learn punjabi/gurmukhi. I say even if some chardikalah nishkhami sevadar where to translate steekas/teekas of great anubhavi mahapursh into english for these people, these people will still make up excuses like- i dont like reading or teekas/steekas are little too expensive. People who like others to spoon feed gyan of gurbani to them are not sikhs beecause they are not khoji or learners. They end up creating outrageous posts, threads and claims on forums.

Yes balbir singh , please clarify further what is defination of sub guru's?

Here is my understanding, sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj all knowner that final guruship will be passed down to sri guru granth sahib ji and give martial/socio texts like sri dasam granth sahib and sri sarbloh granth sahib, all by his blessing started spiritual/scholarly/martial schools(sampardava's) eg- sevapanthi, taksal, nirmale, nihangs, udasi which sikhs back in the time used to get vidya of gurbani, shaastar vidya, shaster vidya which were deciphered from sikh texts, spiritual and oral traditions and given to the students by sants/soldiers/gyanis/bhramgyanis.

Guru Ji said Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaara was the Key to Bani.

If we go by your logic then jaap sahib, tav parsad swaie, chaupi sahib is not included in sri guru granth sahib ji either but separately written by sri dasam patsah, are you going to suggest they are not bani either? since they are not included in sri guru granth sahib ji, does that mean those banis above are not accepted by guru's.?

pher teek aa, please refer next time in brackets, as people often confuse within terms sanatan mat and sikh being sanatan.

chatanga, what satani mat on this site u on about? Please clarify? This site only promotes Gurmat.

Veer, off course god can be both male and female but in sargun saroop,

i thought we were talking about Vahiguroo in nirgun roop which is beyond genders.

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!

Dear all and N30 SINGH Jee!

Quote "Vahiguroo doesnt have any gender".

Please provide a reference from the Gurus. I will be grateful.

Balbir Singh

This should be more than enough proof:

source: Jaap Sahib Mukhvak Patsah Daswin

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ ੧੦ ॥

स्री मुखवाक पातिसाही १० ॥

The sacred utterance of The Tenth Sovereign:

ਛਪੈ ਛੰਦ ॥ ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

छपै छंद ॥ त्वप्रसादि ॥

CHHAPAI STANZA. BY THY GRACE

ਚੱਕ੍ਰ ਚਿਹਨ ਅਰੁ ਬਰਨ ਜਾਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਪਾਤਿ ਨਹਿਨ ਜਿਹ ॥

च्क्र चिहन अरु बरन जाति अरु पाति नहिन जिह ॥

He who is without mark or sign, He who is without caste or line.

ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਅਰੁ ਰੇਖ ਭੇਖ ਕੋਊ ਕਹਿ ਨ ਸਕਤਿ ਕਿਹ ॥

रूप रंग अरु रेख भेख कोऊ कहि न सकति किह ॥

He who is without colour or form, and without any distinctive norm.

ਅਚਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਅਨਭਉ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ ਅਮਿਤੋਜਿ ਕਹਿਜੈ ॥

अचल मूरति अनभउ प्रकास अमितोजि कहिजै ॥

He who is without limit and motion, All effulgence, non-descript Ocean

Vahiguroo doesnt have any gender.

Vahiguroo is shakta and when it transcedent itself its- shiv(refer not to shivji but vahiguroo) shakti/daiv shakti. Some people call - shakta(masculine energy) and some people call it shakti (female energy) but in reality nirgun paratma is rehat(free) from these gender labels. Please read jaap sahib to further read upon nirgun paratma- attributes.

great pictures and audio, please keep them coming

Here are videos for ~ Sant Waryam Singh Ji Video Divans ~ ,long awaiting for sangat is gone.

enjoy : http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=sant+...o=2&start=0

i ll add more to the list, stay tuned:

Many more video divans of sant baba jagjit singh ji harkhowale, added:

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=sant+...o=2&start=0

enjoy !

yeah pm me the ftp address.

~ Sant Jagjit Singh Ji Harkhowale Video Katha Collection ~

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=sant+jagjit+singh+ji

enjoy !

So far in the collection i managed to add:

Video Katha of Sant Karam Singh Hoti Mardan Wale.

Video Katha of Baba Bir Singh Ji Naurangabad wale.

stay tuned for more videos along with kaths done in england gurdwara and canadian gurdwara's !.

Here is the part 2 of audio recording discussion with sant jagjit singh ji harkhowale:

http://www.gurmarag.net/SikhAwareness/Audi...ecture%2011.wav

enjoy !